From: Andreas Bogk
Subject: Re: Lisp is alive, was "Re: Common LISP: The Next Generation"
Date:
Message-ID: <y8ad8zjl9cr.fsf@hertie.artcom.de>
>>>>> "John" == John Brewer <·······@spyglass.com> writes:
John> What if there was a standard native 3d library for Java?
John> Better yet, what if it used something like QuickDraw 3D
John> RAVE, so it could take advantage of hardware accelleration.
Why is it that everyone is ffoles by Sun into thinking Java and Java
bytecode are identical? There's a Scheme to JavaBC compiler. Why is it
that no one can imagine an universal bytecode, that is equally
suitable for all languages?
Andreas
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From: Steven L Jenkins
Subject: Re: Lisp is alive, was "Re: Common LISP: The Next Generation"
Date:
Message-ID: <51s5v1$6eu@news.iastate.edu>
In article <···············@hertie.artcom.de>,
Andreas Bogk <·······@artcom.de> wrote:
>>>>>> "John" == John Brewer <·······@spyglass.com> writes:
>
> John> What if there was a standard native 3d library for Java?
> John> Better yet, what if it used something like QuickDraw 3D
> John> RAVE, so it could take advantage of hardware accelleration.
>
>Why is it that everyone is ffoles by Sun into thinking Java and Java
>bytecode are identical? There's a Scheme to JavaBC compiler. Why is it
>that no one can imagine an universal bytecode, that is equally
>suitable for all languages?
I believe that would be something like UNCOL? ;)
From: Eric Gouriou
Subject: Re: Lisp is alive, was "Re: Common LISP: The Next Generation"
Date:
Message-ID: <3241A46F.3EF6@cs.ucla.edu>
Steven L Jenkins wrote:
>
> In article <···············@hertie.artcom.de>,
> Andreas Bogk <·······@artcom.de> wrote:
> > >Why is it that everyone is ffoles by Sun into thinking Java and Java
> >bytecode are identical? There's a Scheme to JavaBC compiler. Why is it
> >that no one can imagine an universal bytecode, that is equally
> >suitable for all languages?
> I believe that would be something like UNCOL? ;)
I believe that uncol was rather designed as an Intermediate
Representation
format for compilers. That is, it was not designed with direct
execution/interpretation
in mind. Check ANDF
(http://www.gr.osf.org/papers/gren_ri_andf_papers.html) for
a new attempt at an universal IR.
Now for a universal bytecode, you should rather look at Omniware, a
product of
Colusa software that was bought in march by ... guess who... Microsoft!
(http://www.w3.org/pub/Conferences/WWW4/Papers/165/). Colusa software
still
had a web page a few days ago (http://www.colusa.com/) with only a press
release
from Microsoft but it seems to have disappeared.
I don't know what Microsoft plans to do with this technology but I
would rather
use the Omniware virtual machine than Sun's java-biased one. Note that
the Gwydion
group at CMU was (is?) looking at Omniware to distribute
platform-neutral Dylan
programs. If Microsoft manages to release this VM without crippling it
with its
own technologies (COM/DCOM) it might kill the Java VM (but not Java or
the Java API)
and we would have a language-agnostic VM to play with.
Eric
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From: Cyber Surfer
Subject: Re: Lisp is alive, was "Re: Common LISP: The Next Generation"
Date:
Message-ID: <843226092snz@wildcard.demon.co.uk>
In article <·············@cs.ucla.edu>
········@cs.ucla.edu "Eric Gouriou" writes:
> Now for a universal bytecode, you should rather look at Omniware, a
> product of
> Colusa software that was bought in march by ... guess who... Microsoft!
> (http://www.w3.org/pub/Conferences/WWW4/Papers/165/). Colusa software
> still
> had a web page a few days ago (http://www.colusa.com/) with only a press
> release
> from Microsoft but it seems to have disappeared.
There's also Taos. See <URL:http://www/taos.co.uk> for details.
It's a distributed OS that uses 'VP' code.
I'd love it if there was a Scheme to VP compiler. Still, a Scheme
to C compiler should do just as well, for now. ;)
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