From: William Annis
Subject: What's up with Symbolics?
Date: 
Message-ID: <567lnp$2sbo@news.doit.wisc.edu>
	About a year ago the engineering department at the UW tossed out
a 3600.  It was immediately savaged by the students, though what they made
of the 36bit memory I have no idea.  At any rate, I was able to grab a 
bunch of the manuals.  The things intrigue me.

	Now I've seen the Symbolics Online Museum, and supposedly Symbolics
was bought out of bankruptcy.  I'm surprised however to find no other
online presence.  

	Does anyone know just what Symbolics is actually up to these
days?  Are they making machines or just the cards I've heard about for
Macs and Alphas?  Also, who in the world is actually *using* Symbolics
products?  And last, are they hiring? :)

	Is it possible to be in love with a programming language?

	Thanks for your help.


--
William S. Annis                             Programmer
Ofc: 608 262-6163 	      ·······@neurosim.wisc.edu
Department of Neurology             Neurosimulation Lab

From: Ed Gamble
Subject: Re: What's up with Symbolics?
Date: 
Message-ID: <328951B4.394C@earthlink.net>
William Annis wrote:
> 
> [...]
>         Is it possible to be in love with a programming language?
>
Yes, and that language is Scheme.

-- Ed
From: Mark McConnell
Subject: Re: What's up with Symbolics?
Date: 
Message-ID: <328A1408.1624@math.okstate.edu>
Ed Gamble wrote:
> 
> William Annis wrote:
> >
> >         Is it possible to be in love with a programming language?
> >
> Yes, and that language is Scheme.

Draw...
From: William Annis
Subject: Re: What's up with Symbolics?
Date: 
Message-ID: <56clha$1vtu@news.doit.wisc.edu>
Ed Gamble (······@earthlink.net) wrote:
: William Annis wrote:
: > 
: > [...]
: >         Is it possible to be in love with a programming language?
: >
: Yes, and that language is Scheme.

        *snort*cough*

        Yeah.  CommonLisp is my first love, but Scheme certainly has
more sex appeal.

        It's a shame we can't convince someone that a scheme machine
would be a financial success.  Then someone could just take the
BBN/Butterfly CommonLisp implementation (it's in Scheme) and bring it
up to date.

        Oh, well.  We all have our fantasies.

--
William S. Annis                             Programmer
Ofc: 608 262-6163 	      ·······@neurosim.wisc.edu
Department of Neurology             Neurosimulation Lab
From: John Mallery
Subject: ANNOUNCE:  Common Lisp Web Server (60.57)  -- HTTP 1.1 Compliant
Date: 
Message-ID: <328BB25A.1514@ai.mit.edu>
Server: A full-featured, production-quality, HTTP 1.1 Compliant Web
server wholely written in Common Lisp is *freely* available from the
following URL at the MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory.

Information:
http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/doc/cl-http/home-page.html

Q: Why might you care about this?

A: You might be interested in:

        * Minimizing the cycle time from conceptualization to market. 
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        (Cooler than typing it in by hand!)

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	to accept input or present output.
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        (Cooler than even an "Active-X enchanced" site!) 

Language: Common Lisp is a dynamic, object-oriented programming language
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These kindsof power programming tools are becoming increasingly
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        * Macintosh (MCL - Comes on the CD)

        * UNIX (Allegro, LispWorks, Lucid) (Many flavors, including
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	* Windows NT (Allegro) (Several new Lisps currently being tuned for
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modules to the learning curve.
From: Rainer Joswig
Subject: Re: What's up with Symbolics?
Date: 
Message-ID: <joswig-ya023180001311961606310001@news.lavielle.com>
In article <···········@news.doit.wisc.edu>, ·······@brain (William Annis)
wrote:

>         About a year ago the engineering department at the UW tossed out
> a 3600.  It was immediately savaged by the students, though what they made
> of the 36bit memory I have no idea.

Running a 3600 would make your poor. It draws a *lot* of power.
I know someone who has got his one from Hamburg University.
A 3640 is a bit better.

>  At any rate, I was able to grab a bunch of the manuals.

The manuals sure look good in your office.

> The things intrigue me.

Rest assured that this stuff will be reinvented a million times.
Since much of the (object-oriented !) OS comes in source you
might be able learn a lot from it.

> Now I've seen the Symbolics Online Museum, and supposedly Symbolics
> was bought out of bankruptcy.  I'm surprised however to find no other
> online presence.  

Well, they are alive.

>         Does anyone know just what Symbolics is actually up to these
> days?  Are they making machines or just the cards I've heard about for
> Macs and Alphas?

There is no new hardware (new machines that is) AFAIK. They are working
on a new version of the Ivory-emulation on DEC Alpha
(Open Genera).

>  Also, who in the world is actually *using* Symbolics
> products?  

DASA in Germany. American Express. Military. White House.
Some Graphics Studios. Some researchers.

> And last, are they hiring? :)

Don't know, but some people worked hard to be allowed to use it.
They had to convince management.

>         Is it possible to be in love with a programming language?

Sure. A bit strange, but possible.

Rainer Joswig