Does anybody know a (Common)Lisp Interpreter/Compiler for my Apollo DN3500?
I've tried to compile CLISP, but me, gcc and gas weren't able to do so...
It was written in a Lisp-book, that there exists a LISP Compiler for
Apollo Workstations (commercial one??? how much would it cost???)
thanks in advance
ciao
Chris...
········@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de
In article <··········@news.rz.uni-passau.de>, ········@rudiger.uni-passau.de (Chris...) writes:
Does anybody know a (Common)Lisp Interpreter/Compiler for my Apollo DN3500?
I don't know about Common Lisp, but I recommend Scheme 48, by Richard Kelsey
and Jonathan Rees (my brother). You have to use gcc to compile it, as the
Apollo C compiler gets confused by the huge machine generated interpreter.
More info is available at the Scheme 48 web page:
http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~jar/s48.html
In article <················@santafe.citi.umich.edu> ····@umich.edu (Jim Rees) writes:
In article <··········@news.rz.uni-passau.de>, ········@rudiger.uni-passau.de (Chris...) writes:
Does anybody know a (Common)Lisp Interpreter/Compiler for my Apollo DN3500?
I don't know about Common Lisp, but I recommend Scheme 48, by Richard Kelsey
and Jonathan Rees (my brother). You have to use gcc to compile it, as the
Apollo C compiler gets confused by the huge machine generated interpreter.
Once upon a time, there was Domain/CommonLisp (I should know, I worked at
Lucid and did the Apollo 68K port as well as the PRISM). I have no idea if
it is still available from HP or will run on current versions of the OS.
Leonard
Leonard N. Zubkoff wrote:
>
> In article <················@santafe.citi.umich.edu> ····@umich.edu (Jim Rees) writes:
>
> In article <··········@news.rz.uni-passau.de>, ········@rudiger.uni-passau.de (Chris...) writes:
>
> Does anybody know a (Common)Lisp Interpreter/Compiler for my Apollo DN3500?
>
> I don't know about Common Lisp, but I recommend Scheme 48, by Richard Kelsey
> and Jonathan Rees (my brother). You have to use gcc to compile it, as the
> Apollo C compiler gets confused by the huge machine generated interpreter.
>
> Once upon a time, there was Domain/CommonLisp (I should know, I worked at
> Lucid and did the Apollo 68K port as well as the PRISM). I have no idea if
> it is still available from HP or will run on current versions of the OS.
>
> Leonard
Hi all,
a info from out Knowledge-Database:
From 31 of august 1991 the CommonLISP sales and support products for
HP/UX and Domain/OS operating systems will be available only through
Lucid, Inc.
Happy new year to all of you apollo-guru's
Gerhard
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In article <·············@bhgcrc.gsr.hp.com> Gerhard Janz <·····@bhgcrc.gsr.hp.com> writes:
Hi all,
a info from out Knowledge-Database:
From 31 of august 1991 the CommonLISP sales and support products for
HP/UX and Domain/OS operating systems will be available only through
Lucid, Inc.
Happy new year to all of you apollo-guru's
Then I imagine that it is now available from Harlequin, if from anywhere,
since they acquired Lucid's Lisp business after Lucid went belly up in July
of 1994.
Leonard
From: Jean-Marie Ledoyen
Subject: Re: LISP for Apollo Workstation???
Date:
Message-ID: <30EAB813.14D@imaginet.fr>
Leonard N. Zubkoff wrote:
>
> In article <·············@bhgcrc.gsr.hp.com> Gerhard Janz <·····@bhgcrc.gsr.hp.com> writes:
>
> From 31 of august 1991 the CommonLISP sales and support products for
> HP/UX and Domain/OS operating systems will be available only through
> Lucid, Inc.
>
> Then I imagine that it is now available from Harlequin, if from anywhere,
> since they acquired Lucid's Lisp business after Lucid went belly up in July
> of 1994.
I can't imagine a more losing combination than Apollo and Lucid Common Lisp. What
possibly possessed Harlequin to acquire such a garbage technology, good only for
constructing giant, slow applications of no conceivable practical value, and then invest
in yet another complex language so ungainly that even Apple vomited it out at the first
opportunity. Are these the great minds who will lead us into a shiny future of
simplified computing for the masses? I don't think so. No, these are dinosaurs who will
fall creakingly into the tarpit of ubertechnology, where their rotting corpses will be
devoured by small rodents of a new and better age -- rodents who speak a new language:
Java!
-- Jean-Marie Ledoyen
qui fait une tentative d'anglais pour la premiere fois sur Usenet
Jean-Marie Ledoyen <·······@imaginet.fr> wrote:
>I can't imagine a more losing combination than Apollo and Lucid Common Lisp. What
>possibly possessed Harlequin to acquire such a garbage technology, good only for
>constructing giant, slow applications of no conceivable practical value, and then invest
>in yet another complex language so ungainly that even Apple vomited it out at the first
>opportunity. Are these the great minds who will lead us into a shiny future of
>simplified computing for the masses? I don't think so. No, these are dinosaurs who will
>fall creakingly into the tarpit of ubertechnology, where their rotting corpses will be
>devoured by small rodents of a new and better age -- rodents who speak a new language:
>
> Java!
>
>-- Jean-Marie Ledoyen
> qui fait une tentative d'anglais pour la premiere fois sur Usenet
(Et qui a besoin d'etudier un peu avant de repondre.)
It's one thing to comment on the usefullness of a language
after having sufficiently evaluated it's advantages and
disadvantages. However, to publically attack a specific
language or company because of their use of such technology
is an open admission of ignorance. And then to evangelize
Java as a superior alternative (a language which is not in
direct competition with either lisp or dylan)...
..is this why the best technologies never win out --
Ignorance? How sad.
Wolfgang Ziller
In article <············@imaginet.fr> Jean-Marie Ledoyen <·······@imaginet.fr> writes:
>Leonard N. Zubkoff wrote:
>>
>> In article <·············@bhgcrc.gsr.hp.com> Gerhard Janz <·····@bhgcrc.gsr.hp.com> writes:
>>
>> From 31 of august 1991 the CommonLISP sales and support products for
>> HP/UX and Domain/OS operating systems will be available only through
>> Lucid, Inc.
>>
>> Then I imagine that it is now available from Harlequin, if from anywhere,
>> since they acquired Lucid's Lisp business after Lucid went belly up in July
>> of 1994.
>
>I can't imagine a more losing combination than Apollo and Lucid Common Lisp. What
>possibly possessed Harlequin to acquire such a garbage technology, good only for
>constructing giant, slow applications of no conceivable practical value, and then invest
Actually, LCL is a fairly solid product, and it has a pretty good lisp compiler too.
I currently work on an IC Design tool that runs under Lucid. I have looked at
Harlequin's LispWorks, and I'll probably be looking a Franz later this year. LCL is
not slow, and is of great practical value.
>in yet another complex language so ungainly that even Apple vomited it out at the first
Hmmm, seems to be a lot of interest about MCL from Mac users at the Lisp conference.
You know, people who have actually bought it, and use it.
>opportunity. Are these the great minds who will lead us into a shiny future of
>simplified computing for the masses? I don't think so. No, these are dinosaurs who will
>fall creakingly into the tarpit of ubertechnology, where their rotting corpses will be
>devoured by small rodents of a new and better age -- rodents who speak a new language:
>
> Java!
Different languages as best suited to different applications. Pick the language that
best suits your needs. There are cases where Lisp is the best language to use.
>
>-- Jean-Marie Ledoyen
> qui fait une tentative d'anglais pour la premiere fois sur Usenet
-- bob
--
>> Bob Palmer | remlaP boB <<
···@remlap.cts.com
In article <············@imaginet.fr>, Jean-Marie Ledoyen
<·······@imaginet.fr> wrote:
[snip]
>will be
>devoured by small rodents of a new and better age -- rodents who speak a
new language:
>
> Java!
>
>-- Jean-Marie Ledoyen
> qui fait une tentative d'anglais pour la premiere fois sur Usenet
...Et qui pour sa premiere tentative, pourrait essayer d'etre moins abrasif!
Puique tu souhaites engager la guerre sur le front de "Java, c'est la
meilleure chose inventee par l'homme depuis le Pinot des charentes", tu
sembles allegrement melanger technique et marketting, disponibilite et
promesses, et les regles de bases de la "netiquette" :
- si tu es pour Java, va exprimer ta flame dans comp.lang.java
- si tu es contre quoi que ce soit, et a moins que ca n'ait une influence
directe sur ce pour quoi tu es, le mieux est de s'abstenir.
Ton message precedent n'a rien apporte a personne, ni au fans de Java, ni
au defenseurs de Dylan, Lisp, HP/U, Appolo ou Harlequin.
C'est ce qu'on appele du bruit, pur et simple, et pas plus les defenseurs
de Java que ceux de Dylan ne sont reellement heureux de devoir faire le
tri entre les messages reels, utiles, qui font avancer un sous-sujet
quelconque, et la plethore de "moi aussi", "moi non plus" et autres
parasites de transmissions.
Please, please, please, help the user groups stay focused! Avoid emitting
junk mail!
--
Jean-Francois Brouillet ·····@micronet.fr
Macintosh Software Developer ··········@eworld.com
Jean-Francois Brouillet wrote:
>
> In article <············@imaginet.fr>, Jean-Marie Ledoyen
> <·······@imaginet.fr> wrote:
> [snip]
> >will be
> >devoured by small rodents of a new and better age -- rodents who speak a
> new language:
> >
> > Java!
> >
> >-- Jean-Marie Ledoyen
> > qui fait une tentative d'anglais pour la premiere fois sur Usenet
>
> [...]
>
> Ton message precedent n'a rien apporte a personne, ni au fans de Java, ni
> au defenseurs de Dylan, Lisp, HP/U, Appolo ou Harlequin.
> [...]
> --
> Jean-Francois Brouillet ·····@micronet.fr
> Macintosh Software Developer ··········@eworld.com
Sono perfettamente daccordo con la risposta di Jean-Francois Brouillet.
E visto che andiamo sul multilingue, mi va di rispondere in Italiano !
E' da poco che uso i Newsgroup; finalmente un luogo di scambio di idee e, spero, di
esperienze.
Quello che mi rompe di piu', soprattutto in un Newsgroup come Lisp, e' tutta questa
schifezza di Lisp vs. C, Dylan vs. Java, Cro-magnon vs. Nehandertal.
Sono stufo di sentire stronzate, e spero che gli user imparino a tenere la bocca chiusa,
quando non sanno neanche di che cosa parlano.
Forse anche questo puo' essere classificato come "rumore non necessario", ma avevo
bisogno di comunicarlo.
--
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12555 West Jefferson Blvd. Suite 285, Los Angeles, CA 90066
Phone: (310) 577-0500; Fax: (310) 577-0577 ······@nichimen.com (internet)
From: Oliver Corff
Subject: Re: LISP for Apollo Workstation???
Date:
Message-ID: <4ctiqn$24c@fu-berlin.de>
Luca Pisati (······@nichimen.com) wrote:
: >
: > Ton message precedent n'a rien apporte a personne, ni au fans de Java, ni
: > au defenseurs de Dylan, Lisp, HP/U, Appolo ou Harlequin.
: > [...]
: > --
: > Jean-Francois Brouillet ·····@micronet.fr
: > Macintosh Software Developer ··········@eworld.com
: Sono perfettamente daccordo con la risposta di Jean-Francois Brouillet.
: E visto che andiamo sul multilingue, mi va di rispondere in Italiano !
: E' da poco che uso i Newsgroup; finalmente un luogo di scambio di idee e, spero, di
: esperienze.
: Quello che mi rompe di piu', soprattutto in un Newsgroup come Lisp, e' tutta questa
: schifezza di Lisp vs. C, Dylan vs. Java, Cro-magnon vs. Nehandertal.
[...snip...]
Die Humanoid-Systeme der Nehandertal GmbH waren die zu ihrer Zeit ueberlegenen
Biosysteme auf der Basis neuronaler Netze. (etc.)
[translation:]
The "Humanoid" systems produced by Neanderthal Ltd. were the best biosystems
of their era created within the framework of neuronal nets. Please refer to
comp.sys.humanoids.neanderthal for further discussion, as well as for comp.
sys.humanoids.cro-magnon. Some software of that era even runs on modern
systems, I was told.
--
Dr. Oliver Corff e-mail: ·····@zedat.fu-berlin.de
c/o Wuertz Wielandstr. 20 telephone: ++ 49 - 30 - 852 93 75
12159 Berlin GERMANY
In article <············@imaginet.fr> Jean-Marie Ledoyen <·······@imaginet.fr> writes:
> I can't imagine a more losing combination than Apollo and Lucid Common Lisp. What
> possibly possessed Harlequin to acquire such a garbage technology, good only for
> constructing giant, slow applications of no conceivable practical value,
Funny, we have quite a few designers here at Ford creating automobiles
with CDRS, which is implemented in Lucid Common LISP. We think of CDRS
to be of considerable practical value, as do a number of other
customers.
<snip>
--
-Stephen H. Westin
·······@ford.com
The information and opinions in this message are mine, not Ford's.