From: Jim Meehan
Subject: 2nd CFV and VOTE ACK: comp.lang.lisp.mcl
Date:
Message-ID: <15llg2n@rpi.edu>
This is the SECOND and final call for votes for the creation of the
newsgroup comp.lang.lisp.mcl. The list of those who have already votes
is appended.
Please read all of this article carefully prior to voting. The proposed
group is as follows:
NAME:
comp.lang.lisp.mcl
STATUS:
unmoderated
CHARTER:
The purpose of this newsgroup will be to provide a forum for talking
about any and all aspects of Macintosh Common Lisp (MCL). MCL is,
specifically, the software product from Apple, an implementation of
Common Lisp for the Macintosh. This is NOT intended as a forum for
discussion of other implementations of Common Lisp for the Mac.
VOTING PROCEDURE:
Mail your vote to: ······@src.dec.com
Do *not* post your vote to the net. The wording must be explicit and
unambiguous. I would prefer that your message use one of the following
Subject lines:
comp.lang.lisp.mcl: YES
comp.lang.lisp.mcl: NO
DEADLINE:
Mail your vote on or before Monday, July 8, 1991. Votes received after
that date will not be counted.
COMMENTS:
The protocol for creating a newsgroup requires that there be 100 more
YES votes than NO votes, and that at least 2/3 of the valid votes be
YES votes.
During the discussion, which started on June 4th (see news.groups),
two concerns were raised by several people.
First, discussions of MCL currently take place via a mailing list,
········@cambridge.apple.com [to which this Call For Votes is also
being mailed]. The list is maintained by the Apple/Cambridge
office. Some members of that mailing list are unable (or prefer
not) to receive news, and they expressed concern about losing access
to MCL discussions, the implication being that the mailing list
and the newsgroup were mutually exclusive.
In fact, both can exist, and this proposal says nothing about
shutting down the mailing list. (Nor, indeed, could it).
Practically speaking, however, no one wants two separate forums
for this discussion. Fortunately, several of the responses to the
RFD pointed out various ways to "link" the mailing list and the
newsgroup, and the Apple office fully intends to do so, so that
no one will be cut off from the discussion simply because they don't
receive the news. Since the size of the mailing list has grown
dramatically, they are indeed hoping that there will be a newsgroup
and that most of people now on the list will not need to remain
on it.
The second concern was for the name of the group. I received
several good suggestions for placing the proposed group in the
comp.sys.mac... hierarchy. However, there was no agreement on
exactly what the full name should be. Many readers of the
comp.sys.mac... groups found the name "mcl" to be confusing, or
at least not informative, and they suggested "lisp" as an
alternative suffix. But others pointed out that "lisp" would invite
discussion of other implementations of Lisp for the Mac, and that
is NOT the purpose of this newsgroup. A very long name, such as
comp.sys.mac.programmer.lisp.mcl, would probably be specific enough
for all concerned, but the length was a problem for some. In the
end, I stuck with the original name, which I felt had fewer problems
than the alternatives.
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As of June 30, votes have been received from the following people:
"(Simon Leinen)" <·····@liasun1.epfl.ch>
"Adi Inbar" <···@chaos.cs.brandeis.edu>
"lubell" <············@uu.psi.com>
"Mark A. Tapia" <·····@dgp.toronto.edu>
"Thomas E. Morgan" <·········@CompuServe.COM>
<························@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
a phil sohn <····@apple.com>
···@elsie.nci.nih.gov (Arthur David Olson)
Akira Kurihara <······@tansei.cc.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
·····@media-lab.media.mit.edu
Aleksandar Totic <·····@suna0.cs.uiuc.edu>
····@cambridge.apple.com (Andrew LM Shalit)
···@compsci.aberystwyth.ac.uk
···@media-lab.media.mit.edu
········@lotatg.lotus.com (Bob Congdon)
········@imag.fr
·····@informatics.WUstl.EDU (Charlene Bloch Abrams)
Brad Miller <······@SOL.CS.ROCHESTER.EDU>
Brian Hagenbuch <···@Neon.Stanford.EDU>
Brian Hayes - Sigma Xi <·····@concert.net>
······@ENH.NIST.GOV
········@BBN.COM
···@jessica.stanford.edu
···@AMD.COM (Carl Rigney)
Chip Morris <············@uu.psi.com>
···@compsci.aberystwyth.ac.uk
Christopher Owens <·····@gargoyle.uchicago.edu>
·····@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Mark Chung)
······························@ciitip.ciit.nrc.ca
·······························@ciitip.ciit.nrc.ca
················@uunet.UU.NET (Chuck Rapp)
·········@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Cognitive Sys,PRT)
Craig Burley <······@ug.cs.dal.ca>
CXEA000 <···················@VM1.MCGILL.CA>
Damien Genthial <········@imag.fr>
Dan Brotsky <·······@parc.xerox.com>
············@ATT.COM
Dave Loseke <······@ion.cs.uiuc.edu>
·····@elroy.Jpl.Nasa.Gov (David Robinson)
········@socs.uts.EDU.AU
·····@blaze.cs.tamu.edu (John F Desoi)
Doug Cutting <·······@parc.xerox.com>
Douglas Frye <············@CS.YALE.EDU>
Douglas Merrill <····@clarity.Princeton.EDU>
··@imp.vista.pnl.gov
······@zaphod.lanl.gov (Skip Egdorf)
······@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Mike Engber)
···@WLV.IMSD.CONTEL.COM (Frank D. Malczewski)
······@informatics.WUstl.EDU (Mark Frisse)
Gary Byers <··@cambridge.apple.com>
····@cs.bu.edu (Isaac Kohane)
···@robotics.jpl.nasa.gov (Erann Gat)
Greg Anglin <········@watstat.waterloo.edu>
······@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Williams, Gregg)
··@dsl.pitt.edu (Gerhard Werner)
·····@cs.rug.nl (H. Schipper)
········@idt.unit.no
········@ncs.dnd.ca (Gavin Hemphill)
·······@kjemi.unit.no
······@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Lucian Hughes)
····················@trout.nosc.mil (Paul Telles)
·····················@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
Jacques Chazarain <····@mimosa.unice.fr>
James King <····@math.washington.edu>
Jim Davis <···@media-lab.media.mit.edu>
Joachim Laubsch <·······@hpljl.hpl.hp.com>
Joe McCarthy <·········@cs.umass.EDU>
John M. Canning <··@cvl.umd.edu>
················@NL.CS.CMU.EDU
····@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Kemi Jona)
····@informatics.WUstl.EDU (Michael Kahn)
·······@eesun.gwu.edu (Steve Kaisler)
·····@apl.washington.edu (Keith Kerr)
Ken Garges <·········@CompuServe.COM>
······@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Kenneth Greenlee)
······@hsi86.hsi.com (Brian Kenney)
Kevin Gallagher <·········@gilgamesh.cs.umass.edu>
·····@moe.ESL.COM (Bob Kirby)
······@cme.nist.gov (Russell Kirsch)
Kresten Krab Thorup <····@iesd.auc.dk>
···@a.darpa.mil
Lawrence Wright <···············@CS.YALE.EDU>
······@akbar.teleos.com
···@iexist.att.com (Lawrence G Mayka)
·······@cse.uta.edu (Charlie Lindahl)
···@world.std.com (Larry Davidson)
···@cs.rutgers.edu
Louis Van Zandt <··········@CompuServe.COM>
·····@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Richard Lynch)
···@trantor.harris-atd.com
Madhavan Raghav <········@rnd.stern.nyu.edu>
Magnus Ljungberg <······@aaii.oz.au>
····@es.ele.tue.nl (Marc Heijligers)
Mark A. Kolb <····@seattle.crd.ge.com>
Mark Johnson <····@adler.philosophie.uni-stuttgart.de>
Mark Nahabedian <····@YUKON.SCRC.Symbolics.COM>
Mark Stickel <·······@WARBUCKS.ai.sri.com>
···············@GLINDA.OZ.CS.CMU.EDU
····@hsi86.hsi.com (Mark Sicignano)
Martin Stanley <···@cs.toronto.edu>
····@matt.intel.com (Matt Harper)
·····@PRC.Unisys.COM
········@btr.com (Matthew C. Melmon ········@btr.com)
meehan (Jim Meehan)
········@chipman.crd.ge.com
Michael M. Marx / Jerusalem - Israel. <····@vms.huji.ac.il>
Michael Pazzani <·······@pan.ICS.UCI.EDU>
·················@cup.portal.com
Michal Rimon <·····@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov>
Mick ODonnell <····@ISI.EDU>
·····@tc.pw.com (Stephen E. Miner)
········@F.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU
N.Nakano <······@ext20.sra.co.jp>
····@garnet.berkeley.edu
·····@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (David Neves)
NICK <·······@lucy.merrimack.edu>
·························@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (SHINODA Nobuo)
Ora Lassila <···@hutcs.cs.hut.fi>
······@gumby.cc.wmich.edu (Leonard J. Peirce)
Peter Paine <··@porter.asl.dialnet.symbolics.com>
Peter Szolovits <···@lcs.mit.edu>
······@Pescadero.Stanford.EDU
········@mahogany.cray.com (Paul Krueger)
········@rnd.stern.nyu.edu (Nicky Ranganathan)
······@ki4.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Rainer Joswig)
Ralf Moeller <··@SYMBOLICS2>
Ranson <······@lannion.cnet.fr>
···@ads.com (Bob Riemenschneider)
Ric Cowan <·········@smtp_mac_mail.aero.org>
···@devnull.mpd.tandem.com (Ron Boerger)
rus <···@macland.HQ.Ileaf.COM>
····@arcsun.arc.ab.ca (Russ Thomas)
······@etl.go.jp (Toshimi sawada)
········@hsi86.hsi.com (Dave V. Schaller)
Scott Goehring <········@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Seppo T|rm{ <···@hutcs.cs.hut.fi>
····@gandalf.hrl.hac.com
······@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Eric Shafto)
·······@cs.UMD.EDU (Lee Spector)
Stan Shebs <·····@apple.com>
Stanier A <····@essex.ac.uk>
Stephen L Nicoud <·······@boeing.com>
Stephen Veit <·····@RANGER.sbc.com>
········@PANINI.CS.NYU.EDU (John Sterling)
········@channelz.gun.de (Sascha Wildner)
·····@buast9.bu.edu (Bill Mackiewicz)
···@sdl.Warren.MENTORG.COM (Tom Limoncelli)
·····@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Tamar Offer-Yehoshua)
···@math.ksu.edu (Tim Ramsey)
Tim Bradshaw <···@cstr.edinburgh.ac.uk>
Tom McDougal <········@gargoyle.uchicago.edu>
Tommy Isakowitz <········@is-3.gba.nyu.edu>
······@nova.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com (Chris Toomey)
·····@sml0.ge.uiuc.edu (Aleksander Totic)
Volker Haarslev <········@bosun1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de>
·······@cs.UMD.EDU (Bill Andersen)
······@titan.rdd.lmsc.lockheed.com ( Scott Walker)
········@starbase.MITRE.ORG (Mark Westling)
·····@AppleLink.Apple.COM (Weyer, Steve)
········@breeze.bellcore.com (Will Hill)
·····@YVAX.BYU.EDU
·······@garnet.berkeley.edu (Ulf (Olaf) Wostner)
·····················@uunet.UU.NET
·······@hawk.css.gov (Tom Yonkman)